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a gathering storm for the gop. still at the center of it, todd akin, ever since his ill advised, to put it mildly, comments on legitimate rate. he's facing very tough question fps listen to what he said this morning. >> there is no rape that is legitimate. it's a heinous crime, one of the most serious. i understand the victims are harmed for a long time. i take that very seriously. while i apologize for the misuse of that word, at the same time, i don't apologize for the fact that i'm stronin my belief for pro life. >> george stephanopolous asked if he would defy the republican leadership and show up at the republican convention begin on monday. >> no. i honor their particular wishes.
my objective here is to be able to show the sharp contrast between myself and my democrat oppone opponent. >> right now, there's a little matter of a real storm called isaac, which could very well hit tampa on monday, the very day the republican convention starts. tampa's mayor says he's prepared to cancel the convention if it comes to it. joining me now on the big story, chad, how likely is it -- this is the big question for republican party and political watchers, how likely is it that this hurricane could build up and hit tampa? >> at least 10% now. y ed i gave it five, the day before, about one. it's getting closer and stronger and the computer models are now agreeing this thing is going to go over cuba and eventually it's going to make a run for florida. some of the computer models say north carolina, some say louisiana. that always happens. there's always disagreement.
but here it is right there, there's's puerto rico right there, traveling to the west 20 miles an hour, 21. doing 45 miles an hour in a big circle. it's only a tropical storm right now, it's about to get much larger. let's go day by day. i know this is all about tampa. but the next couple of days will be very important for purt awe prince. port-au-prince literally got knocked down in an earthquake. there are 400,000 people in that country living in tents. in less than 48 hours, there will be 80 miles an hour and driving rain on those people living in tents. then it moves over and hits very, very close to guantanamo bay. we know it's there. they actually got rid of moe of them, sent them home today, a lot of the lawyers and things for all those crimes and other things going on there. all the lawyer cases, they sent the lawyers home. it could go left, could go right. remember that. then over cuba for a very long time, over thekeys. that could be tampa. i know we talk about this all
the time, piers. it could be right or left, but the center still says very close to tampa in five somedays. >> regardless of whether the eye of the storm hits tampa, is it pretty likely that tampa would get some pretty extreme weather anyway? >> that is correct. even if the storm went over here on the right side and missed florida altogether, this storm is going to have arms 500 miles wide. and that will send these big winds here, these circular winds into tampa. and of course, the threat is always there when you get a land falling hurricane of tornadoes. all these people from all these states that have never even seen a hurricane now all of a sudden have to deal with one, i'm not sure that's a good idea. >> no, you're talking to one right now. we don't get these sort of things back in britain. >> it's going to take me a coup of days to know it. the most important thing in the next 24 hours is the pete of haiti.
dave, go ahead and fly real fast. we probably have 15 or 20 seconds left. the people of port-au-prince are going to experience this first. and the longer this thing stays over land, the more it's going to knock the stuffing out of the storm and it won't. as severe for, let's say, tampa. but if it stays over longer over water, it could be a category two or three storm very close to a very populated place, florida. >> our thoughts are with all the people 234 haiti. let's pray they don't have to suffer another huge disaster. as florida braces for isaac, the gop is bracing for a political storm. peter, we've heard that this hurricane may or may not crash into tampa, but lots of other stuff is crashing around the gop convention at the moment, led by todd akin who's just steadfastly refusing to go anywhere, isn't he? i mean, nothing seems to stop the man.
>> you're right. he's actually sorting of using this to transform himself into this insurgent anti-establishment candidate. he never had ties to the party, but he's talking now about how the party bosses in washington, the national republican senatorial committee, karl rove's american crossroads, pretty much all established republican in the universe and plenty of grassroots republicans who want him to step aside. he's saying hey, they want me out of the race. donate to me. ehe's trying to raise money off of this. this is guaranteed to stay in the headlines the next few days. he said he's not coming here to tampa, piers, but we can be assured he will be here in name and spirit, that's for sure. >> he certainly will. and you're the guy who broke the fact that the gop platform is going to continue to say there should be no exceptions to abortions, which is clearly positions them in a different way to the agreed ticket position of romney and ryan, which does have exceptions. although ryan has never believed in that before now.
how important is this all going to be at the convention? is it just going to get overtaken by bigger stuff? or could this really bring the social issues of the right wing of the conservatives to the fore of this convention which could be damaging to romney? >> yeah, it might be a little bit more of the latter. the only time people care about the gop platform is every four years when it's debated. it's time for republican activists to map out their vision for the party. but whatever mitt romney chooses to do as president is what he chooses tooed to do. he doesn't have to abide by this platform. however, the fact that todd akin has thrust this into the spotlight means that members of the media and political operatives and the romney campaign frankly are looking very carefully at what's in the platform. the romney campaign was in the room when the platform was being drafted and voted on for the last two days. i asked governor bob mcdonnealdf
virginia will romney read the platform. he said he wasn't sure if he would read it before accepting the nomination. again, todd akin is keeping this in the news for sure. >> which i'm sure was a massive irritation to all of them in the leadership. see you in tampa, weather per t permitti permitting. >> yeah. >> two people with strong opinions on the state of the gop, actor billy baldwin and amy holmes of glenn beck tv's real news. this is a big mess for the republicans, isn't it? this is the last issue they wanted to go into the convention arguing with people out. >> well, it is a big mess, but a lot of republicans had mccaskill as beatable.
they could replace her and possibly gain the republican majority in the senate. and now congressman akin's statements that as you heard from peter have been roundly denounced by republicans, conservative activists, now that statement looks like it's threatening the chance of the republicans taking over that seat in missouri. that's really the bigger prize that the gop is worried about. as far as the pro life plank in the republican platform, that's been the case for many presidential cycles. it hasn't been controversial for republicans since 1996 when bob dole ran and you had some pro choice republicans making a charge at that element of the republican platform. so i don't really see controversy at the convention among republicans, but certainly the media is taking this headline and running with it. >> well, billy, the thing it seemed to me was whichever excuse he's been putting up, and there's been numerous now in the last 36, 48 hours or so, the reality is i think he meant what he said. i think he read a bit of junk science and he believed women
couldn't get pregnant if they were raped because their body would seize up. what does this tell you about the thinking of republican meem like him. he served five terms for goodness sakes. >> if you close your eyes and you just listen to the words, you know, if you listen to mitt romney, you know, planned parndhood, we're going to get rid of that, and ryan's position on equal pay for women, and now this with rape with akin, it just sounds like talk from decades ago. not the stone age, but it sounds like the 1950s. it's a bad time going into the convention to have this at the forefront of the american consciousness and the headlines. i think if he was given an opportunity to answer that question again, i think he would answer it very, very differently. but he's standing his ground and continuing to try to run. he deserves to do that. i think mccaskill will take him to the wood shed, but we'll see. >> mccaskill was thrilled. >> she tried to get him to run anyway. she nougt she couthought she co
anyway. it could be a crucial seat. the problem is the positions of romney and ryan on abortion are vulnerable i think to attack from obama. that's why he's gone after them so vociferously. if you look at romney, h ehas done massive flip-flops on this. if you look at ryan, he was implaquably opposed to any exception for abortion, but now suddenly he's gone with romney on his sort of compromise. when people har this and see this, they don't really know what they're voting for, do they? >> well, i think that in order for romney to win, he's going to need minorities and women and swing states like o oh and pennsylvania and florida. even when you have this kind of uncertainty this close to election day and this waffling and vacillating, especially with democrats and liberals banging the drum on the war against women, the war against women, the war against women.
i think it's resonating now and it's going to continue -- this is going to have legs. >> this is a problem, isn't it? one of the big criticisms of mitt romney, he's got many things going for him. obviously, that's why he's running as the nominee and he's pretty close in if the polls to oba obama. one thing is the charge of flip-flopping. one of the sdifltties he has with the akin scandal is it brings abortion to the froer front of the political debate and reminds everybody that mitt romney was the guy who apparently was pro choice but at the same time as a mormon missionary, he was advising other mormons to not have abortions. and then he moved completely the other way and became completely opposed to abortion. and now he's brought in some exceptions. there's been so many flip flops on one guy on the issue that we're now all talking about. where's the consistency here y amy? >> well, you know, i can't speak for mitt romney and his flip-flopping. i agree he has flip-flopped on this issue. but i do want to get to the larger point about where the public is on abortion.
and in particular women. gallup had a poll and found women are choes to being pro choice and pro life. 47% pro choice, 46%, pro life so the american public sort of flip-flops. a lot of people are privately pro life but they would agree that women should have a choice about what they want to do about their own bodies. in terms of no exceptions for rape or incest, that is a minority view. the one that paul ryan holds. he's also a roman catholic. but whether or not abortion is going to be an electoral issue this fall, i don't think it is. but i do think that democrats and the media are trying to make it so. i call your attention to a memo that was written november 9, 2011, just this last fall where they said explicitly they want to inject choice into this election because it will help
with what they call, quote, own quote, women defectors, women who do not intend to vote for president obama again. it will help bring them back into the fold. they found these female voters, they trusted obama more on the issue of choice than they did the economy. so when you know that the economy is the number one issue, what d democrats want to do? they want to distract voters and put their attention on choice because that's where they think they're going to get the most bang for their buck. >> a quick word before we go to break. >> one of the most important things that obama is going to exploit is his flip-flopping position on affordable health care. it was modelled after romney's health care in massachusetts. >> let's take a break. i'll talk to both of you about going negative. the ads that may se decide the elections in less than three months. >> over the next three months, it's actually less than three
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>> president obama today in las vegas. actor billy baldwin and jamie holmess. a lot of people are saying abortion, clearly an important b issue, but not an issue i'm going to decide my vote on come november. i'm sure many people feel the economy is the most important thing people have to live up to. this election could end up being bought. the super pac culture that's now dominating american politics, mitt romney is vastly outstanding obama in terms of money he's bringing in. although obama spending more going out. if it comes down to money buying an election, that can't be good for america? >> no. and i think at the end of the
day, we have to have a public financing component. the founding fathers intended for access -- the supreme court has determined that money equals speech. i don't necessarily agree with that, but if the supreme court has spoken, we honor that. i don't think the founding fathers intended for access to free speech at overwhelming and disproportionate amount of that access to an elite handful of a few rich people. i think they intended equal access for the american people. and in obah. ma's last election, he raised $66 million after palin was named -- he raised $66 million in august and $153 million in september. two and three months after election day. an overwhelming amount was $25, $50, $150. the people throwing $100 million at these super pacs, the system is broken. and it completely undermines democracy. >> amy, i have to say i admired
president obama when he made a statement against super pacs and then my admiration collapsed when he said he had to do it when the other guy was doing it. i think if he stuck by his princip principle if he said look, i'm not going to let anybody buy this election. it's a perfect storm for the democrats just when they most need television money and so on. they're going to get blitzed by romney. do you feel comfortable as a republican that it could come down to fire power and money from super pacs? >> well, a couple of corrections. i did not work for john mccain. it would have been an honor, but i worked for bill crist. i'm not a republican. i'm an independent. when it comes to money and politics, i have a name for you. michael huffington. he spent more money than anyone in history, $22 million and it
was a lead balloon. it went nowhere. you have to have money, but you also have to have a message. president obama, i bsaid he wou go with public financing. but when he saw the money coming in, he threw that out the window. the voters didn't punish him for raking in the money when he could. i don't think the voters are going to do that this fall. i do have a problem, however, with, as you know, the negative ads that you were mentioning, and all that money being poured into demonize the opponent. and we saw that with this infamous now joe soptic ad that seemed to suggest that mitt romney was responsible for his wife dying of cancer. that was criticized across the political spectrum for having crossed the line, but it doesn't elevate our political debate and the debate we need to have in this country about what direction we want to go in. i think that debate is legitimate. i respect people on the other side of the aisle, on the other side of the political spectrum. i want to hear from them and
trade information. i don't want to trade all this mud. >> i certainly agree with that. i thought that romney ad in particular, for president obama trying to take the high moral ground not being negative after he basically endorsed a super pac ad through the backdoor accusing romney of killing someone was very low politics. >> until it's the new law of the land -- i was at events with john mccain where he was on a battle discussion on campaign finance reform, discussing mccain-feingold then when he took off his microphone and left he was going to a $2,500 a plate fundraiser. he said it's not a level playing feel. i have to go dial for dollars. that's exactly what obama has to do if he wants to compete on a level playing field. >> how big a deal is it for obam that that unemployment is over 8%.
it's higher than when he took office. >> it's higher than when he took office? >> it's 7.8. >> no president has ever been elected with this high of unemployment rate. i i think he will get elected. i think it goes to show the kind of support he has. i have mixed reviews for the president, but he does have a lot of support. it goes to show you the weak field that the republican party put force. when he was vulnerable with 8% unemployment, no one ever being re-elected with that level of unemployment, to put mitt romney up and to not have a double digit lead at this point is a huge mistake by the republicans. >> what do you think? unemployment still remains a huge mill stone for president obama. millions of americans are out of work. are they going to punish him in november do we think? >> we saw in 2010 voters funnished this unemployment
rate. and 40% of voters in 2010 said their situation had not improved since 2008 and, in fact, had gotten worse with the exit polling data. another nearly 30% said a member of their family had lost a job in the last two years. that anger registered at the polls with the biggest sweep in congressional history for seven decades and put republicans back in power. i don't know if mitt romney will have the same sort of wind at his back. i agree with billy, as do a lot of other republicans and conservative op tiffs that mitt romney, you would think he would be further ahead than he is, but i think it's going to be a battle down to the wire. >> thank you very much, indeed. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> there's only one guy really that can do with all this craziness and brawling in the election campaign. jerry spring per. bring him out. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered,
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rape and incest. i think it's a step in the right direction. . >> joining us is jerry springer. jt the jerry springer show" is about to launch its 20th season. jerry, welcome back. >> it's great to be back. >> a congressman skinny dipping in the sea of gallile, harry naked in a hotel room. i thought, we have to bring in jerry springer. let's start with akin. it's an extraordinary case where he says something outrageous. and he has refused to stand down, despite every senior member of his party demanding he
go. what do you make of that? >> well, he's not going to step down because he's going to be a sympathetic figure for the far right within missouri. so i'm not sure he's out of it. i think what's kra zeer, the position on abortion, the reason it resonates, because that's really on abortion the position of the republican party. we all know that. we try to put nice words around it. but the fact of the matter it is part of this continuing -- i don't want to call it an assault on women because that would be purposeful. but this lack of regard of women's issues in that party is unbelievable. >> religious beliefs, whatever it may be, the reality is that america is moving fast in terms
of women's rights, gay rights. the republican party has to be very careful in the way they go about defending their time honored positions. if they don't move at all, they're going to end up looking very old fashioned. >> i think the toughest thing romney has to face is he's running with the republican label. i don't say that being a partisan. i'm saying right now, the republicans are viewed as a very old party, not with the modern movement, certainly not with women's rights. then he goes and takes ryan. this election is between barack obama and paul ryan. romney is almost irrelevant to it. paul ryan is the budget this congress has passed. god forbid romney is elected. if romney is elected with congress, which already passed the ryan budget, there's no president for the next four years to veto anything this
right wing congress does. normally we talk about platforms. this congress has already passed the ryan budget. it didn't pass the senate, but passed the house. now we have to say oh, my gosh, if barack obama isn't there to veto it, all these things, doing away with medicare as we now know it, and replacing it with the voucher system, the affordable health care act and good things about that, 30 million more people would have elt h insurance and if you have a pre-existing condition in your family, you can't be denied insurance insurance. doing away with pell grants. this congress is doing away with all that. and now we have a president of the united states that's going to veto it. and he can't afford not to veto
it. >> my gut tefeeling it suits barack obama to get off the economy and get on to social issues. if you're honest about the economic performance under barack obama, it's been disappointing. you can't look at an 8.2% unemployment rate in america after a four-year term and not say this has been very, very disappointing. yes, he's had some successes in the car industry and so on. but in getting americans back to work, barack obama has not been very successful, has he? >> okay, the final record is not yet a success. but you have to look at what's being done to get there and what's being done to stop the success. when he wanted the stimulus facemaskage, i would argue it wasn't nearly enough. if the position of the republican congress is to cut, cut, cut, not have a sfim lus program, cut state budgets, cut
federal budgets and laying off all these people, if you keep laying people off, you can't turn around and say by the way, we have high unemployment. of course we have high unemployment. if you don't employ people and lay people off, here's one thing we ought to look at. yes, it is 8% unemployment nationwide, a little over some neighborhoods, some 10. but here's a statistic that isn't talked about. if you take a look at the unemployment rate of those who graduated from college, it's only 4%. there must be some correlation between the college degree and your ability to participate in w chni and al economy. know a college education is going to help our kids get better jobs, why would you support a law that ryan said, no more grants, no more aid to middle class families who want
to send their kids to college. we are gutting the most important thing trk education. the one thing we're allowed to vote against -- we can't vote against wars. you can't vote against federal programs. the only thing you can vote against is your local school tax le levy. education is getting killed by this republican congress. then you can't blame obama and say people are out of work when the republicans are saying we're not going to support this program, lay off the people, cut this department and fire everyone. >> my feeling why he can't get through what he wants to get through is he's not been skillful politically with the republicans. he hasn't dpoen enough deals with them. bill clinton used to get into a room with newt gingrich, chuck everybody out and get stuff done. i don't see that with obama and boehner, for example. let's come back after the break and discus why he can't do that.
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i know you don't actually tweet yourself, people do it for you. it says springer is spitting hot fire. >> i apologize. >> if you want to join in the debate, it's @piersmorgan. tell me, why is barack obama not smarter in his dealing with the republicans to get through more of what he wants to get through. bill clinton is better at it, there's no doubt about that. >> times have changed and there's a structural reason why times have changed. obviously with the begin of course cable news 15 years ago or whatever, we started to become more polarized. here's what the structural problem is. every ten years under the constitution, in every state, they have to draw new congressional lines and it's drawn up by the politicians oof that state. obviously every congressman or every state legislatuor wants t draw lines that make sure they'll get re-elected.
the result is that 95% of americans, 95% of us li in dve districts that are overwhelmingly republican or overwhelmingly democrat. that's a fact. because of that, that means if you're in congress, you're not going to get defeated by a person of the other party. you can only be defeated in your own party's primary. well, now we have the emergence of the tea party. the tea party has all of a sudden taken over control of the republican party. you saw it in the 2010 elections. they challenged republicans, conservety republicans in their own party with a ptea party candidate. so the tea party candidate won. everyone in congress now, if you're a republican, you're scared to death to even be seen talking to a democrat. you don't want to see your.ic chur taken with obama.
you have to make sure you don't b get challenged bring your own challenger. everyone is worried about the party's primary. so whoever the president will be, whether it's obama and romney or whoever, they are not going to be able to deal with the other party because the other party can't risk losing the election, their own election if they are seen talking to the other party. >> you've been stumping for obama. we have a clip of you doing some work for him in marion last week. let's take a look at this. >> now it is very clear. in fact, i would argue that mitt romney is irrelevant to this particular election. this election is between barack obama and paul ryan. >> which is a message you said to me earlier. >> and i personally want to apologize, because i just notice i'm wearing the same shirt. >> i wouldn't worry about that.
but you met barack obama for an hour with a few others. what was the meeting sfliek how did he seem to you? and you're an honest guy, you're a tough talker. what is your honest assess. of his performance as president in the last four years? >> i start with a bias. i love him. i did not start out loving him. i started out supporting hillary clinton in '08. but i as a citizen saw what 2008 was like and oh, my gosh, everyone i knew was looking to see if their homes -- their life savings had been knocked out, whether or not they could afford to pay the mortgage on their homes. it was like the banks were in trouble, everything. i thought no one is going to be able to fix this. mcconnell, the head of the senate said our number one priority is not to agree with obama on anything and beat him in the next election, even with that, we were able to save the
financial industry, so at least now we have our life savings mostly back, if not bah back. saved the auto industry, passed a stimulus package, which wasn't large enough, but at least it's a start. and thank god, passed the affordable health care act where 30 million more americans today have health insurance than would have health insurance without that. 30 million. >> look, his flipping on the -- >> i'm happy with. >> $17 trillion in debt now. >> you've got 8.2% unemployment. you've got a country really still hurting very deeply financially, both as a nation and individually among people who have lost their homes and jobs. and they're blaming barack obama. they're saying listen, you came in on this huge ground swell of i'm the hope, i'm the future, i'm egoing to fix this. and for these people, he hasn't fixed it. >> is he perfect? no. but you have to finish the
sentence. he didn't elect a dictator. number one, he doesn't run the world. he's not in charge of greece or spain. he deals with a republican congress, which we just said is not going to do business with him. it's a miracle he passed the health care act. now let's hope it stays in business. so no, he hasn't been perfect. in meeting him and in listening to him and in talking with him, asking questions, whatever, for an hour and 15 minutes i think it was, i'm blown away. bill clinton was more engaging. with barack obama, he was the coolest guy in school. if you were in high school, he was just the cool -- he is so calm and collected. i go back to that evening he was telling jokes at the white house
sorz dinner, while knowing in the back of his mind at this moment is the plan going through with getting osama bin laden. and then he goes back and goes down to the basement of the white house where they look at the -- and they're in communication. and he's made of steel. sometimes i don't know what goes on inside. he's absolutely cold when it comes to doing what has to be done and he's not an emotional crazy guy. >> what's his biggest fault? >> sometimes he's too cool. is that we are a very -- america is a very boisterous nation. and we are boisterous often in our happiness, in our anger. we yell out. you know, you go to europe and they say oh, here come the americans, you know? and he's not that. and sometimes to communicate, you have to elicit that passion.
it can't be poetry. you have to feel it. bill clinton felt your pain and you believe it. you could make him cry telling him a story about your family. that isn't part of barack obama's personality. but his decision making has been rational. for all my life i said how can we live in a country where every person doesn't have health insurance? and thank god now we have it. >> and thank god we still have the springer show which you yourself say is the worst show on television. >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry. [ kimi ] atti and i had always called oregon home. until i got a job in the big apple. becoming a fulltime indoor cat wasn't easy for atti. but he had purina cat chow indoor. he absolutely loved it. and i knew he was getting everhing he needed to stay healthy indoors.
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and i'm back with my special guest, jerry springer. 22 years of "the jerry springer show." a show i've heard you say is the worst show in television history. >> it's not just me. tv guide a few years ago gave an award for the 50 worst shows in television. but would you imagine being the second worst? because no one remembers that. you've gone through all of this, this horrible show. but, the honest answer is it's so much fun to do.
>> do you still get as much fun out of it? >> the audience. >> because i watch it. i'll be honest with you. i've known you a long time ago. we did "america's got talent" together >> yes. >> we've hadyou we rbert kenned' campaigneam, you weay sy you' i ,ringer end up doing that and when will he stop and go and be a politician, perhaps? what do you say to friends of yours that might say that to you? >> well, the honest answer is, you saw the passion i have about politics, and i really do. that's like religion to me. so it's not how i make my living. i'm hired to be an entertainer. some people like it, many don't, whatever. that's my profession. i'm an entertainer. but i'm an american citizen and as an american citizen, it is my
duty to be politically involved. not necessarily to run for office. one of the things i love about this country, i have people in my own family that are republican and we go back and forth and it's great. we can have this debate. no one beating each other up like on the show. there you go. that's not a political argument. i love politics because we do it without the hair pulling. so i keep it separate. >> when will you quit that show? >> i've told nbc universal that i am going to stop. >> really? >> when i'm 104. so that's it. i had you. so next year? >> you were so excited. >> that's next year then? >> oh. so hurtful. >> it was a pleasure. it starts on september 17th, i'm sure it will be just as entertaining as the other 21 years. coming up next only in america, gutless little twerp.
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